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PostSubject: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:00 am

Welcome to the Pirelli World Challenge TCB Series presented by Nein Shiza Autosport. For this inaugural race, we will be running 3 seven lap sessions at Nurburgring GP Short.

The grid will be established as follows:
Race 1 - Random grid order
Race 2 - Set by results from race 1
Race 3 - Set by reverse lobby points

All 3 races score championship points individually

Manufacturer points will be awarded based on the average finishing position of the participating drivers

After the third race, we will run a 5 lap race at Tsukuba (collisions off). The results of this race will be used for PI adjustments that will be in effect for rounds 4-6 at Tsukuba on January 8th.

Highlights from Rounds 1, 2, & 3 of the PWC TC/TCB races at COTA:



Full race broadcasts:

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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:19 am

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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:50 am

Nah, son. This is COTA.

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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 3:36 pm

Sloppy american girls!



In other topic, Maxx lets try to avoid this please!

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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 3:51 pm

Yikes, but do what you can to get by brother.
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 9:18 pm

great racing tonight guys, awesome to see such a good turnout both in terms of quantity and quality. Shame my xbox is a fuckload of fuck and kept freezing. If anyone sends me a replay of the finale that would be great and i'll get some pictures.
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 9:34 pm

Round I:





Round II:


14- Dirty Dawg


Round III:

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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Wed 18 Dec 2013, 11:58 pm

Thanks Manuel!
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Thu 19 Dec 2013, 8:59 am

Results/PI adjustments posted HERE

Specific car changes are HERE
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sat 28 Dec 2013, 10:20 am

Does anyone have any feedback regarding the revised builds?
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sat 28 Dec 2013, 10:33 am

Yes speed Racer has a problem with his gear and lack of power but you gave him useless clutch/brakes....or something to that effect
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sat 28 Dec 2013, 11:32 am

Okay. I'll take another look. The gear ratios aren't changing though.

For REFERENCE

TCB Specs are on pages 8-11
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sun 29 Dec 2013, 12:38 am

@DirtyDawg73 wrote:
Does anyone have any feedback regarding the revised builds?

positive on the fords, nothing to complain about..
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sun 29 Dec 2013, 10:21 am

Those rims!!!
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sun 29 Dec 2013, 10:42 am

it's not an auto vista contest!
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sun 29 Dec 2013, 12:29 pm

Yes I Know, but.... Those rims!!!
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sun 29 Dec 2013, 9:51 pm

@DirtyDawg73 wrote:
Does anyone have any feedback regarding the revised builds?

Don't want to really be "that guy" but I don't feel that the cars are "even". Not trying to stir the pot but The Ford and the Mazda are too fast, I have heard the Mini as well. I don't put too much time into the game anymore but it didn't take too much to see it. I can respect the nature of realism and trying to get the cars equal to their real life counterparts but in this game it doesn't always turn out to be equal with the specs. I enjoyed the racing we did last week but if these races are going to continue to be rated by FLR I don't know that I will continue to compete. No disrespect to anyone driving these particular cars. I just see a bit of dominance in certain builds.

P.S. It's my Birthday!!! I'll cry if I want to B!tche$$$$$$!!!! HaHa
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Sun 29 Dec 2013, 11:39 pm

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@DirtyDawg73 wrote:
Does anyone have any feedback regarding the revised builds?

Don't want to really be "that guy" but I don't feel that the cars are "even". Not trying to stir the pot but The Ford and the Mazda are too fast, I have heard the Mini as well. I don't put too much time into the game anymore but it didn't take too much to see it. I can respect the nature of realism and trying to get the cars equal to their real life counterparts but in this game it doesn't always turn out to be equal with the specs. I enjoyed the racing we did last week but if these races are going to continue to be rated by FLR I don't know that I will continue to compete. No disrespect to anyone driving these particular cars. I just see a bit of dominance in certain builds.

P.S. It's my Birthday!!! I'll cry if I want to B!tche$$$$$$!!!! HaHa

A few of things. First, there are some cars that are faster than others - on certain tracks. Just like IRL, some have speed, some have acceleration, some have handling. Second, during pre-season testing, it was determined that all of the cars were within about 1-2 seconds of each other at each track tested. Third, the PI adjustments I am doing take into consideration the races completed and the practice race at the upcoming venue.

And yes, I am trying to keep the cars within the confines of the SCCA regs, but with the limitations of the game, I am only able to comply with the spirit of the rules. My goal is to avoid having one or 2 drivers dominate for the entire season by actually giving the slower drivers a fighting chance via incremental PI adjustments. My system works pretty well, when you consider the results of the Vintage LeMans season finale - 10 laps @ Old LeMans, The top 4 Prototypes finished within 9.2 seconds (3rd & 4th finished 0.21 seconds apart) with all posting fastest lap times within 0.9 seconds of the leader while the GT field wrapped up with a 0.8 second margin of victory.
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Mon 30 Dec 2013, 10:26 am

@KickRocks29 wrote:
I don't feel that the cars are "even".The Ford and the Mazda are too fast, I have heard the Mini as well.


The Ford and the Mazda are kind of fast, but they are well balanced on handling too. The Mini have more power, but lacks of braking and handling.

Yes, the cars are NOT even.

I think the cars should be based on the mini final speed, getting all the rest at that level, and then, give the none handling cars the grip to match the Ford or Mazda.




@KickRocks29 wrote:
if these races are going to continue to be rated by FLR I don't know that I will continue to compete. No disrespect to anyone driving these particular cars. I just see a bit of dominance in certain builds.

I dont wat to think that just because is a ¨rated¨ series, people dont want to race where they are not winning or getting good results ( nothing against Kickrocks ), this sound like Forza 2 days, where u can find a Veteran winning points on easy people with a leaderboard car, and when some really challenge him in the room with lower TrueSkill he just left because he will get downrated.



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P.S. It's my Birthday!!! I'll cry if I want to B!tche$$$$$$!!!! HaHa


Happy Birthday bud!
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Mon 30 Dec 2013, 10:33 am

@DirtyDawg73 wrote:

it was determined that all of the cars were within about 1-2 seconds of each other at each track tested.


In racing, 1-2 seconds is a HUGE diference.  And even more in a lower P.I class.  I think maximum 5 tenths is reasonable.


@DirtyDawg73 wrote:
The PI adjustments I am doing take into consideration the races completed and the practice race at the upcoming venue.

P.I adjustment will be almost innecesary if car were more even, but thinking that it will happens I have found a mistake on that since DSC, where a car is adjusted by a result and it won or had a bad race because the track suits or not for the built it had, and gets  adjusted.... but the next track is underated or to fast.




@DirtyDawg73 wrote:
I am trying to keep the cars within the confines of the SCCA regs, but with the limitations of the game


That is great, but dont force a specific trans set up or use parts that someone dont like. Not everyone drives like the same.
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Mon 30 Dec 2013, 6:59 pm

Like I said, i'm not trying to make a big deal. It's not that I won't race because i'm not going to win. I really don't care much for the rating system. It takes some of the fun out of racing for fun and makes it more of a serious venue. I have participated in many different leagues with inferior cars and not even looked at the ratings but my point is, the cars are not even. If they were built differently they could very well be put on the same platform. PI adjustments can even cars out but not with the certain parts that are being adjusted. If a car has too much power, it is still going to dominate. Not being a duechbag, just saying...
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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Mon 06 Jan 2014, 11:45 am


I have full confidence in Dawg, in fact when testing at multiple tracks, each car was within a few tenths of each other. The Abarth was fast on certain tracks, while the Mazda had quicker times on others, they all were damn close in overall times at each circuit.

This series is meant to have fun and for some close racing, and so far it has produced, even if you put LeadFoot or Bulin in a stock Spark or ForTwo, they will be near the lead. We also don't base our series on FLR ratings, there're just a byproduct of each race.

Thanks for the input, we always listen to what people have to say about the racing and implement it the best way we can.


PS. Dawg, put LeadFoot in a stock Spark for the next race!

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PostSubject: Re: TCB Series Rounds 1,2, & 3 - Nurburgring GP Short   Mon 06 Jan 2014, 1:30 pm

At this race not only LeadFoot was fast.  He was very lucky to start first at the random grid race 1, that way he got the pole for race 2, and did a great race at race 3.

But ItJustbe started from behind the first race and finished 3rd, and he was all over leadfoot the hole race. Bulling Wall also did a great job.

And not to forget about Moesavy, that ran the fastest lap of all the day, but they were on the most balanced cars.

So is not just about sending one guy to a stock car, there are many fast drivers in the series firt race.


Lets see what race 2 brings!


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By the way, my P.I went to high with race trans, that is not making me feel proud.
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